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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:14 pm

miyu wrote:
ireni wrote:
You can find all videos here http://vk.com/videos-2152302?section=album_47254081
Can you watch it?
Thank you SOOOO much, ireni! cheers


And..

http://ameblo.jp/suzuki-akko/entry-11512707448.html

Thank you for sharing the wonderful pictures with us, Akko-chan!!!
Team Japan ga Ichiban!!! flower

One more from Akko-chan:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440715179354035&set=a.414017782023775.99789.100002466712912&type=1&theater
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:30 pm

Thanks guys for everything, especially Asahi shibun interview.

He is still young but he has already had solid values. king
Yeah, he is the man who can learn from failure

Anyway I was very interested in (ISU Judge) Ms.Krick's interview about Daisuke on WFS.
She strongly recommened Lori Nicole as Daisuke's choreographer. she said that Lori is best for Daisuke.



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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:24 pm

I think Lori might be worth considering for Dai. She certainly knows COP especially transitions. I know there was talk last season that he might use Lori but Dai says he was late getting his programs ready and maybe Lori was not available.

I am excited to see what and who he chooses.

In the interview after Worlds Dai sounded a little disheartened. He said trying to
stay number one ace got to him mentally and then all of the boot problems.
I just wanted to give him a big hug and tell him that he did his best and no matter
where he places us Rascals and fans world wide love him and his skating. Dai is such
a tough competitor but he really has a very sensitive nature.
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:47 am

Thank you ostile for the interview, and thanks to the translator!
Yes, he sounded a little disheartened back then, I hope he feels better now. sunny

Poor baby, even having nightmares, he has no choreography...

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Anyway I was very interested in (ISU Judge) Ms.KULIK's interview about Daisuke on WFS.
She strongly recommened Lori Nicole as Daisuke's choreographer. she said that Lori is best for Daisuke.


I would vote for Lori as his LP choreographer too. Pasquale is probably out because of stupidity of the judges, David Wilson is choreographing all of Dai's rivals, so... Morozov may choreograph his SP, if he must (of course I would prefer David or Kenji).
But whatever decisions he makes, I will always support him. I will pray his choices are the right ones, that they make him a winner. But even if he chooses wrongly, even if he decides to skate one of Amodio's programs, so be it.
I love him no matter what!

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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:26 am

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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:26 pm

Thank you for all the updates, ostile17, fosse and ireni! Very Happy

Shyla wrote:
I know there was talk last season that he might use Lori but Dai says he was late getting his programs ready and maybe Lori was not available.
In fact it was once decided and the schedule was fixed as IFS said so in their FB. But it didn't work out somehow. We'll never know the reason why, though.

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Anyway I was very interested in (ISU Judge) Ms.KULIK's interview about Daisuke on WFS.
She strongly recommened Lori Nicole as Daisuke's choreographer. she said that Lori is best for Daisuke.
I thought it interesting at first but now I feel it's a bit annoying. Neutral

Ms. Krick said,

1. She is unsure if Dai-chan is provided the best environment currently. (Probably she meant Morozov as she also criticized the Russian influence over Mao later in the same article and said Japanese skaters tended to go to foreign coaches even though there were superb Japanese coaches inside the country. )
2. She likes Dai-chan very much. She has admitted he had something very special for a long time since he was a kid. But she thinks no one has developed his talent properly.
3. The works with Pasquare in the past two years were brilliant. But Lori would be the best choice for Dai-chan. Because the way Lori makes a program is very similar to Japanese Garden. (???) She knows the balance, what to put and where to put, very well.
4. She thinks his programs of this season are vacant choreographically even though the music are good. She immediately found they put the jumps first in the programs and then filled the gaps. (The Pagliacci is vacant?? I can’t believe it…Not only Blues for Klook but also Pagliacci is too difficult to understand for judges??)
5. Daisuke is a complete skater. Hanyu can’t control the things completely so far but he will in future. She thinks Patrick’s skating skill is the best but Daisuke is superior to Patrick in Interpretatioin. (hmmm)


Maybe she is just an honest person while I’m a narrow minded and biased one. I know that’s the truth. But…………………….

But I can’t stop thinking why she said such a thing openly now. I think she knows well she is a very influential judge in the current figure skating world and now openly questioned the existence of his Russian coach (I also can’t trust him 100% though, but it seemss Dai-chan needs Morozov.) and the quality of his current choreographers (or only choreographys). If she tells these things to her friends among international judges, will it affect their judging?
IIRC, she is a good friend of Mr. Inman who created IJS with her and her husband (and Lori). Do you remember what Mr. Inman did against Plushenko before Vancouver?

I know thinking too much is a bad habit of mine… Suspect


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But whatever decisions he makes, I will always support him. I will pray his choices are the right ones, that they make him a winner. But even if he chooses wrongly, even if he decides to skate one of Amodio's programs, so be it.
I love him no matter what!

Yay!! I sendond that!! cheers cheers cheers (But please please don't skate Amodio's programs. tongue )



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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:12 pm

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Maybe she is just an honest person while I’m a narrow minded and biased one. I know that’s the truth. But…………………….

Me, too. miyu. and maybe I know why we bother her comments.

Olympic season, Vancouver Olympic, Inman, Nicole, ISU Judges, Politics and idiots JSF..etc
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:29 pm

miyu wrote:
Thank you for all the updates, ostile17, fosse and ireni! Very Happy

Shyla wrote:
I know there was talk last season that he might use Lori but Dai says he was late getting his programs ready and maybe Lori was not available.
In fact it was once decided and the schedule was fixed as IFS said so in their FB. But it didn't work out somehow. We'll never know the reason why, though.

fosse wrote:
Anyway I was very interested in (ISU Judge) Ms.KULIK's interview about Daisuke on WFS.
She strongly recommened Lori Nicole as Daisuke's choreographer. she said that Lori is best for Daisuke.
I thought it interesting at first but now I feel it's a bit annoying. Neutral

Ms. Krick said,

1. She is unsure if Dai-chan is provided the best environment currently. (Probably she meant Morozov as she also criticized the Russian influence over Mao later in the same article and said Japanese skaters tended to go to foreign coaches even though there were superb Japanese coaches inside the country. )
2. She likes Dai-chan very much. She has admitted he had something very special for a long time since he was a kid. But she thinks no one has developed his talent properly.
3. The works with Pasquare in the past two years were brilliant. But Lori would be the best choice for Dai-chan. Because the way Lori makes a program is very similar to Japanese Garden. (???) She knows the balance, what to put and where to put, very well.
4. She thinks his programs of this season are vacant choreographically even though the music are good. She immediately found they put the jumps first in the programs and then filled the gaps. (The Pagliacci is vacant?? I can’t believe it…Not only Blues for Klook but also Pagliacci is too difficult to understand for judges??)
5. Daisuke is a complete skater. Hanyu can’t control the things completely so far but he will in future. She thinks Patrick’s skating skill is the best but Daisuke is superior to Patrick in Interpretatioin. (hmmm)


Maybe she is just an honest person while I’m a narrow minded and biased one. I know that’s the truth. But…………………….

But I can’t stop thinking why she said such a thing openly now. I think she knows well she is a very influential judge in the current figure skating world and now openly questioned the existence of his Russian coach (I also can’t trust him 100% though, but it seemss Dai-chan needs Morozov.) and the quality of his current choreographers (or only choreographys). If she tells these things to her friends among international judges, will it affect their judging?
IIRC, she is a good friend of Mr. Inman who created IJS with her and her husband (and Lori). Do you remember what Mr. Inman did against Plushenko before Vancouver?

I know thinking too much is a bad habit of mine… Suspect


ilica wrote:
But whatever decisions he makes, I will always support him. I will pray his choices are the right ones, that they make him a winner. But even if he chooses wrongly, even if he decides to skate one of Amodio's programs, so be it.
I love him no matter what!

Yay!! I sendond that!! cheers cheers cheers (But please please don't skate Amodio's programs. tongue )


Thank you for the translation miyu. Ms. Krick certainly has her opinions and that is what they are just her opinions.
But I to wonder why she is speaking about it now. Is it because Dai had a shaky season and she is trying to
place blame. If so, she is ridiculous.

I certainly do not agree with her comment about no one has developed Dai's talent properly. That is a slap in the face to
his coach Utako who has been with Dai every step of the way and to other members of Dai's Team.

She is right about Lori's knowledge of COP. IMO Lori is much better in choreography than Morozov. Yes Patrick has good skating skills
but he is not the only elite skater who has good skating sills. I am not sure I would say he is the best especially since his program always
consists of falls and for me that does not make him the best in skating skills. The judges need to get past what Patrick is capable of doing
on the ice and judge him for what he actually does on the ice.
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:58 pm

The future of Plu is not clear now, I mean in what conditions he will be by Sochi. The only real competitor against Chanflation is Dai. No way they will ever put Hanyu or Javi over Chan in Sochi, even he falls multiple times. Dai is adored internationally, so that's why they started this PR compain a la Inman before Vancouver.
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:36 pm

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In fact it was once decided and the schedule was fixed as IFS said so in their FB. But it didn't work out somehow. We'll never know the reason why, though.

This is what I heard from Japanese aunties why he did not use Lori last season. They said around that time, Dai's grand ma was seriously sick and he did not go abroad so that he could go to Grand Ma's bedside quickly in case of emergency. I also heard that when she passed away, Dai cried and weeped intensely.There is no way that I can verify this is true or not, so do not quote me.But considering Dai's gentle nature, this sounds very true to me.

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but he is not the only elite skater who has good skating sills.

Exactly Mad What I think it is is that it is a huge propaganda created by Skate Canada. When we hear many commentators repeatedly say something like," Look at his ice coverage. Oh how beautifully he skates." etc all the time some people start to believe it Shocked

They also developed this horrible idea that people who do not understand how good Chan's skating skill is are ignorant and moron who do not understand a thing about figure skiing.

It really bothers me to find out that I am also the one who is getting used to his inflated score Shocked
At WTT, the idea that Chan may win over Dai with five falls has actually crossed my mind for a short period of time. affraid affraid

I do not care what Judges say at all. They are just corrupt morons.
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:06 pm

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In fact it was once decided and the schedule was fixed as IFS said so in their FB. But it didn't work out somehow. We'll never know the reason why, though.

This is what I heard from Japanese aunties why he did not use Lori last season. They said around that time, Dai's grand ma was seriously sick and he did not go abroad so that he could go to Grand Ma's bedside quickly in case of emergency. I also heard that when she passed away, Dai cried and weeped intensely.There is no way that I can verify this is true or not, so do not quote me.But considering Dai's gentle nature, this sounds very true to me.


Oh, poor Dai! Crying or Very sad I feared there might have been personal problems at some point during the off-season. It must have been so hard on him! Crying or Very sad

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Yes Patrick has good skating skills
but he is not the only elite skater who has good skating sills.

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Exactly Mad What I think it is is that it is a huge propaganda created by Skate Canada. When we hear many commentators repeatedly say something like," Look at his ice coverage. Oh how beautifully he skates." etc all the time some people start to believe it Shocked

Also who cares about his alleged heavenly skating skills when he fails do deliver, over and over again?

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They also developed this horrible idea that people who do not understand how good Chan's skating skill is are ignorant and moron who do not understand a thing about figure skiing.
The way they shut you up with that absurd argument drives me mad!!!

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It really bothers me to find out that I am also the one who is getting used to his inflated score Shocked
At WTT, the idea that Chan may win over Dai with five falls has actually crossed my mind for a short period of time. affraid affraid

The same happened to me! That's how far they went with using Chanflation: you know they can do anything they want with it!


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I do not care what Judges say at all. They are just corrupt morons.

cheers cheers cheers SO
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:19 pm

Many thanks, miyu, for translation and all other for links and updates.

2012/13 season just ended and already so much fussing around in ice skating world of socalled "experts" (judges, choreographers, journalists, commentators, ex skaters, etc..) about what Dai should or should not do, what music/choreo he should use, etc... Mad Some even saying that he will not get Sochi because of his age Evil or Very Mad

Although I am perfectly sure that in the end Dai will decide out of his own will - and I will respect his decision, whatever it is because I love him - I can not help thinking that anyway all this fuss and confusion might create too much pressure on him and/or Team. And this scares me a little. affraid

All I strongly hope (and pray for) is that Dai, during this off-season time, goes on keeping a calm and peaceful attitude, that will help him to strenghten mental focus and balance to choose for the best. And keeping his natural cheerful attitude, too, for which we love him so much.

Chan, judges/scores, experts and all that fuss will not defeat Dai: he is and will always be the best skater...no, the best ice skating art performer I have ever known. Smile

Did I already said that I love him?? Very Happy

GO DAI - GANBARE - cheers cheers









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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:22 pm

Apologize for all my grammar errors Sad
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:25 am

Thanks Genki for telling about Dai's grandma ( Sad ). I know we aren't suppose to talk about his private life here, but this would explain this strange thing with Lori. It would also meant, Lori's card is maybe still on the table.

As for Ms. Krick, miyu, if anyone is showing the narrow-mindedness here, it is Ms. Krick.
"She is unsure if Dai-chan is provided the best environment currently"
"his programs of this season are vacant choreographically"
"no one has developed his talent properly" Shocked ???!!!! - that's the most ridiculous one!

Yes, they should have given him to Brian Orser, or other western coaches, and made him perfect skating zombie (or zamboni) regardless of his soul's needs. Rolling Eyes Some skaters prefer western style (Kozuka) some more balletic or theatrical, eastern one (Hanyu). And there is Daisuke Takahashi who can do everything. (Paraphrasing from tennis "you're either a clay court specialist, a grass court specialist, or a hard court specialist...or you're Roger Federer.") Saying your style (culture) is the best one, and that's in fact what Ms. Krick is doing (and the whole judging system) is narrow-mindedness. (Although I don't know who this Ms. Krick is, and what's her nationality Wink )

Searching for Krick I found The Skating Lesson and this recap: http://www.theskatinglesson.com/day-2-of-the-world-team-trophy/
in which Dave says about Dai "His free skate remains one of the finest pieces of choreography seen under the International Judging System".
Yeah!
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:09 am

Thank you Genki for the info about Dai.

OMG Genki and Ostile I was thinking the same thing about WTT and Patrick. While Patrick was skating I said to myself 2 falls he still can win. After the popped 3A and the 3rd Fall I said to myself if he wins over Dai there will not be any Booing there will be Rioting. Figure skating fans and not just Dai fans are so used to Patrick winning with multiple falls and mishaps that our brains think it is normal. Sad.
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:41 am

Frankly, Daisuke is like a last big rock star(I mean Diva) in figure skating world now.
Peolpe have been interested in not only his jumps,spins,other technical elements but music, choreo even his hair style and costumes.
As we all know, ISU has been desperately looking for female ver. Daisuke with US nationality for future of the sport.

Why i say that, he is big so he, his team and fans can not avoid fussing about him especially Olympic season.
If he can't avoid it, he might as well try and enjoy it.
Only wish idiots JSF protect him from media and fussing at least next season.

And I am sure he ends his competitive career like John Curry in Innsbruck.
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:02 am

fosse wrote:
Frankly, Daisuke is like a last big rock star(I mean Diva) in figure skating world now.
Peolpe have been interested in not only his jumps,spins,other technical elements but music, choreo even his hair style and costumes.
As we all know, ISU has been desperately looking for female ver. Daisuke with US nationality for future of the sport.

Why i say that, he is big so he, his team and fans can not avoid fussing about him especially Olympic season.
If he can't avoid it, he might as well try and enjoy it.
Only wish idiots JSF protect him from media and fussing at least next season.

And I am sure he ends his competitive career like John Curry in Innsbruck.

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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:45 pm

I looked for a video of John Curry, as his name is not so familiar to me.
Innsbruck 1976 (OMG, I was 16 then.....). Really wonderful mix of tecnique and high class ballet...how he slides and dances with graceful movements and powerful jumps (although at the time jumps were only double) and spins. Thank you, fosse.

But I bet that, should he skate in present time with actual judges, even with triples and quads, Curry's PCS will be lower than Chan's Razz

Jocking, of course: Curry is so superior and his ballet is so mesmerizing - he reminds me of someone we all love I love you
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:19 pm

Thanks PATTINA.

Experts say that mens game was changed by John Curry(and Toller Cranston).. yup..in figure skating AC/BC means After Curry, Before Curry. Cool
He was in dilemma between what he wanted to do and what he had to do for winning competition during his competitive career because judges admitted his special skating style but didn't give any credit to him in competition.(look at his comp.career before '76)

But suddenly he won every competition in '76 with his own style. yeah, he overcame judge's stupidity and obstinateness at last.

Here is his legendary routine Tango, Tango. enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aex4D_-dG6Y (London gala)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlb35bBfbcQ (tv special)

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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:10 pm

Thanks fosse cheers
Really enjoy John Curry's Tango Tango: enchanting is the only word coming to my mind. And it does not express it all properly.

In present days, even show programs must have jumps, so that they become indeed brief SP and - except for Dai and a few other skaters - there is no difference between competition and exibition.

On the contrary, looking at Tango Tango people understand that jumps are unnecessary to create a perfect ice skating performance drunken

I'd like to tie Chan up to a chair, forcing him to look no stop at this video for at least 48 hours: at last he will stop blabbing around about "his artistry" tongue Razz Laughing

About judges: long time elapsed since Curry's years, but stupidity always prevails Sad



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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:42 pm

^^Thanks ostile. Great video quality, nice music, Dai and Team Japan, loved it!
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PostSubject: Re: WORLD TEAM TROPHY-TOKYO, JAPAN   Thu May 02, 2013 12:56 am

Nice pictures of Dai and Team Japan here:

http://www.figureskating-online.com/wtt.html
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